Raal tweeter vs dome Aug 14, 2008 · In my personal opinion, ribbon tweeters offer the best real world high frequency performance - albeit with the trade off of a narrower sweet spot for critical listening. Atmospheric effect is a standout. I've also only heard the 64-10 so I can't throw all the RAAL tweeters into the same basket. All towers and horizons will be using optimized versions of the new crossover. So it’s providing the opposite of what most would suspect for hornsit’s controlled coverage but the coverage is nearly twice as wide than a traditional dome tweeter! I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) There are many types of tweeters: soft domes, hard domes, metallic, fabric, ribbon. If I would go with either model, it would be the dome because I don't sit in one position to listen to music. View attachment 3495741 Pic. Feb 22, 2014 · The RAAL tweeter is a true ribbon tweeter. Beryllium Dome So Dave, what am I supposed to do with my 340's 27mm soft dome tweets with all that mass that has to be moved 12+ windings and the energy it takes to do so now that you convinced me of the superiority of the RAAL at 0. At a basic level, two tweeters might use a similar technological concept for electromechanical operation, but perform quite different. I believe that this characteristic is what distinguishes itself with high frequency attack and decay Apr 9, 2019 · RAAL makes ribbon tweeters Companies like GoldenEar use AMT tweeters, they look similar but are different tech. As I see it, the strong points of each option are something like this: Sierra EX +Flexibility (can change stand arrangement to adjust height Sep 26, 2009 · I want to hear the adams, and see how much better the tweeter is. Nov 26, 2014 · there is an aspect to the RAAL ribbon that no dome tweeter can come close to, and that is its near perfect acceleration and deceleration due to the RAAL's extremely low moving mass. Mar 27, 2018 · The Beyma tpl-150h is a very good sounding amt driver and would make a excellent replacement for a certain 7 tweeter array that’s popular. 25ms they are pretty much the same. And my ear tend to not like the horn loaded tweeter and I have heard high end Klipsch and JBL stuff. The Sierra Tower also features a larger 70-20 RAAL vs the 64-10 version in my BMR. Jan 10, 2023 · Got into a conversation about Ribbon Tweeters vs Dome and dispersion rate. Dec 12, 2020 · Most of the RAAL tweeters sound very good to excellent. Jan 26, 2023 · Yes, I think the cross-overs are different. I do like it better crossed a little higher though,2k to 2. 1155 which is custom designed and built for the RAAL 72-20XR True Ribbon Tweeter. Jun 29, 2019 · To me, the best sounding tweeter currently on the market is the Seas Excel Diamond Dome Tweeter. Interestingly, the BMR HTs uses an AMT vs. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) Also, that tweeter may sound better with other recordings. Dec 5, 2021 · Ascend confirmed that there will be four versions of both the Sierra towers and Horizon center: The "ELX" will be the flagship offering and available in two configurations: Current custom 70-20xram RAAL ribbon tweeter, new crossover, midrange, and woofers Titan dome tweeter with new crossover Feb 1, 2016 · I’ve heard some cases where other soft dome tweeter designs may be more forgiving as well. I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. There is a 1500 price difference between the two towers with the Titan Dome. As for Philharmonic, again, strictly based on data. B&W even recently changed the tweeter on their 600 series and it is still a metal dome, but much less harsh and sibilant than the previous model. I'm using 1 BMR tower speaker with Raal tweeter as a center speaker. Which are the best sounding? Oct 25, 2019 · I did listen to both horns side by side (1155 & 1159) and the RAAL has more clarity overall. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) Nov 28, 2022 · Titan Tower and Titan Horizon. Also, The tweeter used in the EPOS ES22's or ES11's is a very very good tweeter, 25mm aluminum dome that never sounds harsh or metallic. 039 g's and radiating area of 13. RAAL has transformer versions with high inputZ so a triode can drive them directly. However for long listening periods, each tweeter would eventually give me "Ear Burn", something my Nrts don't do. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) May 10, 2023 · I'm trying to decide between towers and bookshelves as well as RAAL vs. Dec 20, 2018 · I have always placed AMT tweeters in the budget Ribbon category as some speakers designers find that a good dome tweeter can perform better. I am using it. Quote Re: RAAL vs. But I don't see a huge difference with the RAAL ribbon tweeter vs The SEAS tweeters used by Ascend. Dec 11, 2020 · Best in regards to transient response, linearity and stereo image. However, if I had to choose the best tweeter I’ve ever heard it was the tweeters in my MBL Omni durational speakers . 25ms compared to the SB dome but after 0. AFAIK, each variant of the Tower has a different cross-over (V2 with RAAL, V2 with Dome, ELX V2 with RAAL, EXL V2 with Dome). Aug 28, 2023 · Again, nothing wroing with the Titan dome. parimento1. Dec 22, 2019 · If you do indeed want a speaker with a tweeter with superior dispersion, it is hard to beat the Satori Be tweeter. Re: RAAL vs. The standard for me is "Silver Bells" from the Mannheim Steam Roller album "Christmas Extraordinaire". I like using the Morel EM1308 with ribbons. The Titan tweeter is a better dome tweeter than our NrT for this application and as such, we are replacing the NrT dome with the Titan. Aug 9, 2012 · I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. 08-14-2012, 07:23 PM. Beryllium Dome RAAL vs. But subjectively many people prefer them. The soft dome tweeters in my OHM speakers for example are definitely somewhat more forgiving then the Esotars in my Dynaudios. Compression drivers are another variety of tweeter that is catching on in audiophile circles. Mar 22, 2003 · The Ascend Sierra Tower with the RAAL 70-20XR tweeter is about $2700-$2800/pr. They had a great silk dome tweeter and a better overall balanced presentation. : The renowned 140-15DAM (amorphous core version) . I believe ESS invented this type of tweeter. The voice coil converts the electrical signal into mechanical vibration, and the dome moves the air. com But yes, like you say, they have very good dynamics and I generally prefer them over dome tweeters. deadlax97, May 15, 2023 #42. 5k with a really nicely built single order 6db crossover. There are at least 4 upgrade kits for the original towers (2 with just the cross-over to make v2, 2 with the cross-over+2 LX woofers+1 S2EX midrange to make ELX V2). AMT is slightly different, and is what companies like GoldenEar and Emotiva use in their speakers. I was going through this subs recommended speakers and one of the differentiating factors between the better speakers and premium speakers was the type of tweeter. But I felt the RAAL was a step above the tweeter in the goldenear speakers for sure. Legacy seems to be one of the few brands that will use an AMT in a High end speaker. Aug 8, 2012 · I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. May 8, 2023 · Finally my last consideration was going dome vs. I have a feeling like every metal cymbal, regardless of how fast played by a drummer, is easily heard and distinguished from other cymbals. 2 The Ascend Acoustic demo room with two pairs of ELX, one with RAAL and one with Titan dome tweeters The Ascend Acoustics ELX + RAAL is exactly what I was looking for in a speaker. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) For the most part, I tweeter that does the job for that speaker well. However there were some incredibly expensive speakers with dome tweeters so I couldn't really figure out which type of tweeter was superior. The RAAL tweeters are some of the best on the market, but they don’t make any midranges, and I don’t think I have ever seen a ribbon midrange, probably because those frequencies require much more air movement. I’ve never heard so much effortless detail portrayed so naturally and organically. The RAAL has an extremely fast decay in the first 0. Nov 20, 2015 · Other tweeters are not slow (DALI hybrid, also with ribbon in office, and silk dome in car-the slowest one (but not slow)), but RAAL stands out in speed easily. The owner is very confident in his products. It is probably more robust than the 70-10, but its details are proprietary. Be sure to have a listen or two. widened at the top end) and stay relatively inexpensive for aluminium and titanium stuff. Sounds incredible. Looking closely at what measurement correlates to this was difficult. Sep 17, 2015 · I had a great opportunity this week (thanks to Chris at Solen): Side-to-side comparison with 3 of the greatest tweeters on the planet, from the Serbian company RAAL: . it made pretty much all other speakers sound like cones and domes. This can be observed in the CSD plot and step response. Blutarsky Jul 8, 2021 · Accuton has the great $2k Diamond ceramic tweeters , Plasma tweeters are very unique and great ,but need to be recharged every4-5 years ,MBL 101 Omni directional speaker great in that application , then custom dome tweeters that have their own attributes several very good brands , and some very good Ribbon tweeters . However, I did move on to NHT for about 20 years after that. And on some songs, I preferred the BMR HTs. Dec 5, 2021 · On the other hand, with HSU subs the Sierra Towers offer much more punch and a bigger sound in a larger room than my BMR Monitors. It produces sound differently than either of the dome tweeters. ??? Jan 31, 2023 · FWIW, I owned the Sierra-NrT (high performance dome-similar to the Titan) speakers for 10 years and in 2016, compared them to the Sierra-2 (new custom RAAL tweeters from Ascend)! Thinking back 7 years ago, found the RAAL tweeter sonics simply had a "different type of presentation" that had Nothing to do with music tempo, but had better upper Jul 27, 2015 · Domed tweeters have been around since at least the 1970s and share the general structure of an aluminum voice coil attached to a small light-weight relatively stiff dome. It comes down to implementation; I've heard good speakers with both types of tweeters, and the type of tweeter wouldn't make me gravitate to one speaker over another. Matt M Nov 24, 2023 · Hello all, I’m trying to decide between getting a pair of the Sierra EX speakers and a sub vs getting a pair of ELX towers *with the dome tweeters*. ly/dailyhificrewAFFILIATE LINKS (Use our links if you would like to support our channel)Crutchfield: https: Oct 31, 1997 · If I had to give them a comparison grade, and set the ELX at 100, the BMR HT would have scored 97. Discussed the fact that RAAL, AMT tend to work better in larger rooms where you are sitting further away from speakers, and that in smaller rooms domes tend to work better with a wider dispersion rate. Many people consider them the best, but i really don't think the price gap between fountek neocd 3. Three woofers vs one makes a difference. And yes, talk to Dave, he is super honest and upfront. Below is a side by side comparison of the two. RAAL tweeter for mainly rock, jazz, blues listening in that order. That’s my opinion . : and the Aug 20, 2023 · I am speaking on behalf of published data, so no experience. For example, a Fountek Neo CD3 isn’t the same as a RAAL 70-10DAM or Viawave SRT-7, anymore than a Focal TC120 dome tweeter is anything like a BlieSMA T25D-6. Apr 20, 2018 · By folded tweeter do you mean AMT and Ribbon? When done right, a ribbon tweeter is easily better, RAAL’s lineup is arguably the best tweeters on the market. The name is derived from the high pitched sounds made by some birds Tweets , especially in contrast to the low woofs made by many dogs , after Jul 18, 2023 · Become a Member of The Daily HiFi Crewhttps://bit. It’s just the RAAL gives me a reproduction of high frequencies that I wasn’t prepared for. Oct 12, 2020 · To be simple: metal dome tweeters because they stay pistonic in the audible band, have a relatively uniform wavefront that can easily be shaped by waveguides (incl. See full list on audiocurious. a RAAL ribbon tweeter, and Dennis knowingly tuned it higher than the original BMR tower, which digs a few hz lower and uses a RAAL 64-10 tweeter. Feb 7, 2020 · The RAAL Tweeter in my Phil BMR is the best tweeter I have heard, although I must qualify that many of the higher end speakers I have heard are horn loaded. The two image are not Apr 14, 2021 · The Dynaudio ESOTAR and ESOTEC cloth dome tweeters are used by many high end speaker manufactures and is one of the sweetest and delicate sounding tweeters I have ever heard. Titan Dome for the tweeter if I go towers. This solution provides much wider coverage at 100degrees coverage. I have also used the pair of BMR towers in the past as left/right for HT and the wide dispersion sojnds incredible, it gives the movie a huge and grandioso feeling which is one of the most important thing for HT. I have a pair of RAAL Lazy ribbons to play with when I have some time. They all seem pretty good. Nov 1, 2012 · Quote: Originally Posted by callas01 /t/1436907/lets-talk-tweeters-raal--ribbon-dome-various-types-and-ring-differences-polk-psb-salk-etc#post_22548281 Personally I wouldnt worry to much about what type of tweeter you have, the more important thing is to get the speaker that is the best to your ears. These use the new Klippel-optimized crossovers. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) Nov 11, 2020 · I used the ESS LS-8 speakers for at least 7 or 8 years (1976-1984). RAAL sells them only to speaker manufacturers who sign a non-disclosure agreement. The Titan Tower and Titan Horizon will be compelling options due to being price competitive. Enjoy! Mar 16, 2005 · It's similar to how some people say metal dome tweeters sound bright or metallic after only hearing a single implementation, I'm sure the speakers with a RAAL tweeter also sound different. Nov 26, 2012 · Dome tweeters are the cheapest easiest path to good sound in a speaker. You can get good sounding dome tweeters for peanuts, (although I usually just pay cash). Second best is the RAAL tweeter and third best is the Dynaudio Esotar3 soft-dome tweeter, but like I said, that is for me based on my auditioning experiences. I compared directly against a regular test baffle to see I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. : The super efficient 210-10D ''Lazy ribbon'' . 0 (wich i believe has the best price/quality ratio) and the raal is ok. The 70-20 is larger. Determining the best tweeter in YOUR system depends heavily on the rest speaker system Dec 5, 2021 · I suppose I could be mistaken, but I don't believe the original towers will be offered any more, at least not once Ascend runs out of the crossovers. It is much more of pure transducer -- meaning, there is less in the way of the audio signal turning into soundwaves. 6 sq cm. Ascend will customize the Sierra-1(bookshelf) to use the same tweeter for an additional $800/pr above the regular price (it is not a standard offering), so the total would be around $1600-$1700/pr. Jun 28, 2017 · My speakers (Salk Veracity ST speakers with RAAL ribbon tweeter & 6" magnesium alloy W16 woofers) are 2-way and have the RAAL 70-20XR tweeter. Be cone resonance is in the area of 34kHz, well beyond audibility. The "V2" towers are now the standard offering. It is the only metal dome tweeter we would likely ever use. Jul 10, 2024 · I do. Jul 1, 2020 · I feature Horn No. Looking for advice on the pros and cons of each as I will probably be making a purchase in the near future. I also have been reading It would be ideal to be sitting in one spot with the RAAL ribbon. Aug 14, 2012 · I was wondering what Dave's rationale was choosing the RAAL ribbon for the Towers versus a Beryllium dome tweeter, such as the one that Paradigm uses. Again part of that is the overall design and target sound I think perhaps as much as the tweeter alone. In this comprehensive FAQ video May 2, 2014 · Could it be much more expensive to make a dome tweeter that sounds close to, or better than the RAAL tweeter found in the Sierra-2? Most speakers I read about that use ribbon tweeters often are commented on saying they compete with much more expensive speakers; Goldenear, Ascend's RAAL, Arx, or Martin Logan for example. Beyma TPL overcomes the above issues but adds another - the tweeter itself is very pricey! $100k+ speakers use cheaper tweeters. About raal, i've just read about them too. I have heard that I have the Stock Nrt tweeters in my Towers. Just curious if it was solely to compete with the Salk Songtowers or if there were some sound acoustic benefits to the RAAL. And, again in my opinion, the RAAL used in the Salk and Ascend and other systems is the current best-of-breed. They have a return policy, so you can try. Beryllium Dome. A good example is how KEF and B&W both use metal dome tweeters, with completely different house sounds, with KEF being more on the neutral/warm side, and B&W being considered brighter. When it comes to creating audio excellence, the choice of tweeters plays a pivotal role in shaping your listening experience. The same designers will jump with no problem to a "Real" Ribbon tweeter if the budget can handle it. That might fatten up the sound to be one of the best possible tweeters if you can stand the complexity and price. The Lazy ribbons are unique in that there are different transformer taps to match your sensitivity requirements ( up to 111db !!!). I bought them because of that fabulous EMT tweeter they used in the book shelf models. There are so many designs, to name a few: • Soft dome • Ribbon • Focal’s Beryllium • Barefoot’s radiator tweeter • PMC Result6’s fin guide • Amphion’s Titanium tweeter • Horn tweeters Etc, etc… I know it’s a loaded question Oct 25, 2019 · A regular 29mm dome tweeter will have about a 60degree listening window at 15kHz. The sound is very similar to the RAAL, but with dispersion typical of a dome tweeter. You just need to mate ribbons with a very dynamic and clear sounding midrange to get them to blend nicely. Quote Also, that tweeter may sound better with other recordings. Ofc the bigger raal can be crossed lower, but it costs 5-6 times A tweeter or treble speaker is a special type of loudspeaker usually dome, inverse dome or horn-type that is designed to produce high audio frequencies, typically deliver high frequencies up to kHz. It was that close. Anyway, I will sit back and hear what everyone has to say :) Jul 4, 2017 · We seem to be witnessing a trend where AMT tweeters seem to be overtaking traditional domes as the go-to consumer speaker high frequency driver. The Genesis ribbons, and the Usher Be dome really nailed the shimmering bells. Jan 31, 2023 · FWIW, I owned the Sierra-NrT (high performance dome-similar to the Titan) speakers for 10 years and in 2016, compared them to the Sierra-2 (new custom RAAL tweeters from Ascend)! Thinking back 7 years ago, found the RAAL tweeter sonics simply had a "different type of presentation" that had Nothing to do with music tempo, but had better upper If you go by Zaph's measurements, ribbon tweeters tend to have slightly higher distortion. In my limited experience with AMTs (Emotiva Airmotiv 4s and Legacy Studio HTs) they sound very good, but not necessarily better. You then have your choice of Titan dome or RAAL. hkjuw sti bef cvxx ywfn scebz xywhxl qnmwmt xfwjp xfrq